Thursday, October 12, 2006

 

REPORT: Inside Shoebat Event at Columbia

Here is a report Daily Infidel has received from someone who was lucky enough to get into the event at Columbia last night.

KEY POINT from Shoebat's speech: "The speakers were fairly critical of Jews and others who think appeasement can bring peace.

"Walid pointed out that the word hudna, usually translated as truce or ceasefire, actually means strategically taking time off from fighting to regroup and obtain concessions. Muslims feel no obligation to tell the truth to non-Muslims."

Here is the whole report:

I got to Lerner about 6:45 with sandwiches, but the guards wouldn't let us bring food into Lerner auditorium, even though parties with food are often held there. I had to check my tote bag, my umbrella, and my PURSE. They made another friend check his jacket. But they had no metal detectors and did not frisk us. So we could have been packing. I spotted Jewelnel Davis and expressed my indignation about not being able to bring my (registered) family. She spouted the party line about the priority of safety and not wanting people to storm the stage or get kicked in the head. I said they would have a lot of angry people out front (they did; I was hearing angry voices by 7:00), and she said yes, but they would not be inside. I asked why the late notice, and she said they had not anticipated so many (>125) non-CUID registrants. I asked why not. She said there were only 20 last week. I said, That was last week. This is ridiculously poor planning. She said this is what we have to do.

About 150 people were present in an auditorium that can hold ~400. Jewelnel began promptly at 8 by making a 5-minute speech about freedom of speech and civil academic discourse. She said the speakers would speak until about 9:15, and the Q&A would go until 10, after which everyone would be expected to vacate the premises. Then the speakers started. The first terrorist, Zakaria Anani, is, I think, a Baptist minister, but he is the son and grandson of imams, and at age 13 he became a militia fighter in the Lebanon war. At age 14 he made his first kill and celebrated. By age 16, he had killed 233 people and felt that his life had become meaningless and would not last long. Then he encountered a Baptist minister and converted. His imam told him that he had 3 days to convert back or be killed. In the next 20 years, there were 18 attempts on his life. For the first 10 years or so he was living in the Christian sector of Beirut, married, had children. One of the attempts injured him and his youngest daughter. After that his church got spooked and sent him away; he and his family moved to Canada. Somewhere along the line someone asked him the reason for the Islamic teaching that Jews have the wrath of God on them. He tried to research it and realized that the Jews were being wronged. But, he said, the western world does not understand.

The second speaker, Hilmar von Campe, also is a devout Christian who now lives in Alabama. He was 7 years old in 1933 when the Nazis came to power. His father was a state official of some sort who was ousted by the Nazis and relocated to an area that is now one of the Czech states. He reminded the audience that the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi party) was far left. Josef Goebbels, the chief liar, said We are Communists. Hitler eliminated all other parties, trade unions, youth organizations, etc. All young people had to join the Hitler Youth. Newspapers, radio, and the film industry were controlled by the Nazis. In school, there were jokes about religion and God, and constant rhetoric about how bad the Jews are and how good the Germans are. On 9/1/39, Hitler reported that the Poles had invaded Germany and that Germany had to defend itself. Although he and his circle hated the Nazis, all felt that they had to defend Germany first and deal with the Nazis second. He said that many people were unaware of the Holocaust, but that everyone was aware of the discrimination against and unhuman treatment of Jews and all kept silent, including the churches. He said he became a liar too. He also said that in 1972, the KGB and Andropov adopted a policy of turning the entire Islamic world against Israel and the United States. During Q"&A, he cited as his source a book, Red Horizons, by a defecting Rumanian general.

Walid Shoebat pursued that theme. His father was Palestinian, his mother an American who naively went to the Middle East to visit her husband's family and was trapped there with her children for 35 years. He said that Muslims fought on the Nazi side in World War II and murdered the Jews of Bosnia. He said that he was educated to believe that Jesus was a Palestinian revolutionary who came to liberate Palestinians from Zionist oppressors, that Jews spread Mad Cow disease, cause tsunamis, etc. He translated Jihad as Mein Kampf. He is a convert to Christianity. He also said during the question period that when Muslims are at least 20% of a population, they are obliged to seize state power. He also said that Muslims do not believe in the separation of church and state.

The question period was better than I expected. The questioners were somewhat critical but they did not rant. The answers were generally to the point, despite some language problems. The speakers were fairly critical of Jews and others who think appeasement can bring peace. Walid pointed out that the word hudna, usually translated as truce or ceasefire, actually means strategically taking time off from fighting to regroup and obtain concessions. Muslims feel no obligation to tell the truth to non-Muslims. When criticized for hate speech, they responded that they were criticizing Islam, not Muslims individually. Walid had said at one point that Muslims should have a right to convert to Christianity, that Jews should have a right not to convert to Christianity, etc. A couple of questioners interpreted him as saying that Muslims should convert to Christianity. He straightened that out. Some questioners asserted that moderate Muslims do not believe all those bad things. Anani said, if you think your imam is moderate, ask him what would happen if his son converted to Christianity.

Walid's overall presentation, and that of the group, was, I thought, much stronger than his presentation at Columbia a couple of years ago. I am sorry you had to miss it.

Comments:
This is the first time I read this blog. Your account of the Columbia event is definitely the best I've come across. Keep up the good work.
 
First time reader as well. Excellent summary... I have added your blog to my favorites.
 
When CU thought they were hosting an actual terrorist and a nazi, they were fine with it. When they realized at the last minute that these were FORMER terrorists/nazis that were now speaking out AGAINST hate and terror, it was then, and only then, that their speech had to be stifled. Columbia officials only support and agree with terror-speech and hate-speech...who's the terrorist now?
 
Richard Dawkins, an anti-Bush evolutionary scientist says that the largest crime is for religious people to brainwash their own children into their own faiths. This should be outlawed. In particular he points out that under the Islamic faith, brainwashing is considered a jihad and an imperative to be rewarded.

How come the post-colonial and post-modern leftists have nothing to say about Richard Dawkins, one of their own?

Why are the leftists so quiet about such critical matters of choice and rights of children and the right of adults to convert?
 
The Columbia situation leaves a couple of questions: First, were other events featuring liberal speakers in the past few days closed off to outside guests? Why did the university close the event to those with invitations as well as outsiders without invitations? What threat did the invited guests pose?

Andrew
West Des Moines
 
The Rumanian defector's name was Pacepa. You can find a recent article by him about the Communist strategy of turning the Islamic world against the U.S. and Israel here:
"In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov told me, a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States. No one within the American/Zionist sphere of influence should any longer feel safe.

"According to Andropov, the Islamic world was a waiting petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hatred, grown from the bacterium of Marxist-Leninist thought. Islamic anti-Semitism ran deep. The Muslims had a taste for nationalism, jingoism, and victimology. Their illiterate, oppressed mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch."
 
Great post, I refered to your post here:

http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2006/10/daily-infidel-reports-on-ex-terrorists.html

Kudos from the top of Europe!
 
Good work on this topic. I linked your post to my blog at Talkwisdom.

It amazes me that the leftist campuses are so virulently anti-Christian and pro-Islamic fascism! They don't even try to hide their bias, either!!

We need to spread this incident and information throughout the blogosphere so that people will wake up and see who the leftist loonies at secular American Universities are and notice how they are involved with stamping upon the free speech rights of conservative Republican and/or Christian students!!

It's all about leftist extremism and indoctrination, folks!!

We can no longer just sit by and let this happen to our college students! Something big needs to change and I hope that the blogs will at least help bring about such change!!
 
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Christine, As I stated in my post at SacredScoop.com You can talk until you're blue in the face with liberals and they just absolutely refuse to accept the truth. It's maddening! Here we had 3 experts on terrorism speaking to a crowd of kids at Columbia U and when they were done, the questions and accusations made it evident that the kids simply would not accept the truth. Like you say, all we can do is keep getting the word out in our blogs, but the frustrating part is that the left is much louder and more vitriolic, and as such, get more press and coverage, and are able to sway votes with lies unfortunately.
 
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